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Fresenius Medical Care may have withheld important information about the potential side effects of NaturaLyte and GranuFlo acid concentrate drugs for dialysis treatment, which may have caused thousands of people to suffer:

  • Cardiac Arrest
  • Heart Attack
  • Sudden Death

STATUS OF FRESENIUS DIALYSIS LAWSUITS: These lawsuits are no longer being reviewed after Fresenius agreed to a $250 million settlement agreement to resolve the litigation.

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OVERVIEW: Granuflo dry acid concentrate and NaturaLyte liquid concentrate are used during dialysis treatment together with a bicarbonate buffer to help clean the blood for individuals suffering kidney or renal impairment.

These products are manufactured by Fresenius Medical Care, which operates thousands of dialysis clinics throughout the United States and also sells equipment and medications used at most other dialysis centers, including DaVita Dialysis Clinics, DCR, Renal Ventures and others.

Before 2012, individuals may have faced a serious risk of suffering a sudden heart attacks and cardiac arrest during dialysis treatment with Granuflo and NaturaLyte, due to Fresenius Medical Care’s failure to provide adequate warnings and instructions with their product.

Granuflo and NaturaLyte contain sodium acetate, which is converted into bicarbonate by the body during and shortly after dialysis treatment. However, the manufacturer failed to warn physicians that these products contain higher levels of acetate than most other dialysis treatment products, requiring physicians to carefully monitor and change bicarbonate buffers administered with Granuflo or NaturaLyte, to avoid a risk of cardiopulmonary arrest and sudden death from heart problems.

LAWSUITS OVER FRESENIUS DIALYSIS TREATMENTS: A number of families throughout the United States filed claims after their loved ones died or suffered a catastrophic heart injury during or within 48 hours after dialysis treatment.

According to allegations raised in Fresenius dialysis treatment lawsuits:

  • Fresenius Medical Care negligently manufactured and sold unreasonably defective products
  • Granuflo and NaturaLyte were insufficiently tested and unsafe as designed
  • Inadequate warnings and instructions were provided with Granuflo and NaturaLyte, which did not fully inform the medical community about the nature and extent of the risk of heart attack, cardiac arrest, sudden cardiac death and other health problems
  • Even after Fresenius Medical Care knew or should have known about the problems with Granuflo and NaturaLyte, they continued to sell the products and attempted to convert clinics to use of the products by offering pricing discounts and packaging Granuflo and NaturaLyte with other dialysis products
  • Fresenius Medical Care provided critical information about the risk of heart attacks and death from Granuflo and NaturaLyte to doctor’s at their own clinics before warning other dialysis centers that used their products
  • Information was withheld in an attempt to maintain Fresenius Medical Care’s market share and maximize profits, at the expense of the safety of dialysis patients receiving their products

FRESENIUS DIALYSIS TREATMENT PROBLEMS: According to an internal review of patients treated at Fresenius Medical Care clinics during 2010, there were at least 941 cases where patients suffered a sudden cardiopulmonary arrest at the dialysis center.

In November 2011, Fresenius Medical Care issued an internal memo to their own physicians warning about the potential concerns associated with Granuflo and NaturaLyte, and highlighting that bicarbonate buffers should be regularly monitored and adjusted to reduce the risk of heart attack, cardiac arrest and death. This same information was not provided to other clinics that used Granuflo and NaturaLyte.

In March 2012, after receiving an inquiry from the FDA about the internal memo, Fresenius Medical Care issued an alert to other dialysis clinics that may use their Granuflo or NatruaLyte products during hemodialysis treatment.

In May 2012, the FDA warned about the risk of hemodialysis dosing problems with NaturaLyte Liquid and Granuflo Acid Concentrate, indicating that these products can raise bicarbonate levels in patients going through dialysis treatments, causing a condition known as metabolic alkalosis, which can increase the risk of heart attack, cardiac arrest, stroke, low blood pressure and death.

In June 2012, it was reported that Fresenius dialysis problems have resulted in an FDA investigation, examining whether the manufacturer of Granuflo and NaturaLyte failed to adequately warn doctors that the products could cause heart attacks and other serious injuries during hemodialysis.

In February 2016, Fresenius proposed a $250 million settlement agreement that is expected to be accepted and funded by August 2016.


689 comments

  1. Debbie Reply

    Laurie you are absolutely right. Fresenius is a billion dollar company and that much money gives you power and that much power gives you more avenues and opens more doors for Fresenius than we little people could ever imagine. So Big money=Big power. I’m sure They could stall this as long as they want. I wonder if they are burning up the money with attorney fees too. Some of those big law firms charge up to $600 per hour or more.

  2. Joe Reply

    They would not have a case Census and trial scheduling if the settlement has not been triggered. So the motion is not for any other extension. Its Only for The plaintiffs lawyers to agree to the defendants case census and the trial schedule for the people that did not opt in and if their case has not been dismissed. The litigation part is over there will be no more summary judgment no more Lonepine dismissals. The litigation part of this lawsuit is over. They were not asking for a extension to the litigation. They were just asking for a extension for the plaintiffs to respond to the case Census and trial scheduling from
    Fresenius. These are minor things and should be resolved shortly if not already. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what this extension was for. They were not extending anything except for the approval by the plaintiffs lawyers of the Case Census and the trial scheduling for the opt out plaintiffs That survived dismissal. They cannot trigger the settlement until all cases one way or the other have been resolved either they opted-in or they are getting a trial date. If a few cases did not get the trial date like they were supposed to the settlement will not be triggered until A trial date is given to them. After that happens and the plaintiffs lawyers sign off on it the settlement will be triggered officially.

  3. Laurie Reply

    SO it sounds like if the patient died, there is no way to determine if the patient died from the fatal overdose of solution or by pre-existing conditions. Which means, to me anyway, that those cases will not be in the settlement. Unless they have concrete proof of the levels in their system prior to death.

    So those families of the deceased patient are out of luck getting justice. That seems to be the case here.

    That is why I have given up on this case.

  4. Amanda Reply

    I thought that death within 24 hrs and cardiac event was one of the criteria to qualify for the case 1 settlement.. JOE do you know any info on this

  5. Carolyn Reply

    And what if your loved one was hooked up to life support for a week and then I had to pull the plug? And God bless anyone who’s had to make that decision. It’s.. horrible. And yes. I opted in and totally expect nothing. But again.. I only got involved in this soap opera to make sure my darling Bill’s suffering was for naught. His name will be remembered and this is my point. No amount of money will every do justice for howhe suffered. And if by some miracle something is granted. I’m locking it into trust funds for the grands. Personally,. I would feel dirty to reap a profit over the loss of my loved one. But that’s me. Fresenius and granuflo and big pharma needs to bleed the way we have. But this settlement offer is a joke. They need to pay the 250 million to each and every one who suffered a loss. The settlement they offered? They have collected that much and more in interest from the bank. It’s not costing them a dime. Greedy. $&'”&6$- $_$56″**:&. Bastards

  6. Joe Reply

    I only posted part of those orders because I thought it was good information. The orders are quite a few months old. I wouldn’t read into them to deeply. The opt-in document that you signed is still valid they cannot change it. If they did you would have to re-sign a new opt-in form. So the 24 hour cardiac arrest after use is still valid and the cardiac event the judge was talking about refers to a cardiac arrest that is what he is referring to. It had to be a cardiac arrest not a heart attack or some other type of cardiac event. There maybe other information The plaintiffs lawyers needed like product identification and that other stuff I posted before. Category one plaintiffs lawyers already have all that information, and documents that were needed. Some of the claims that fell into the $1500 category still needed product identification and some other information when the lone Pine order dates were given out.That all has been resolved now. At this point. They either got it or their cases have been dismissed. Some people were filing and stating that their loved one had a cardiac arrest after the use of the drug but the truth was they never use the drug or had no proof of it. Or the timeline didn’t add up or some other inconsistencies. Like the judge said in the order there are many Meritless cases in this MDL. The lone Pine order was basically for the people that did not have the documentation needed and still wanted to file a claim or receive a trial date because they did not opt in. Don’t get me wrong I believe there are some cases that were and are valid but were dismissed anyway.

  7. Carolyn Reply

    And please realize that it’s my own personal feeling. Truly not directed towards anyone else. They need to pay for the loss of our loved ones and we could all use a bit of help to ease our hearts and struggle in life.

  8. Lola Reply

    My attorney said 97% has been reached and the settlement is going forward. Claims are expected to be submitted until late September but various deadlines may be extended. Payments are not expected to be available for some time.

  9. Joe Reply

    Pre-existing conditions have already been addressed. A Daubert hearing on pre-existing conditions already took place. The judge basically determined pre-existing conditions still qualify. If your case has not already been dismissed it won’t be. The judge is the only one that can dismiss anyone’s case. The claims administrator has nothing to do with any type of trial. He definitely is not a judge or any part of a Jury. He simply determines the point value of your case. The claims administrator could determine your case has zero points but that is very unlikely. If you had zero points your case would have already been dismissed. The litigations that have been taking please resolve around the alternative payment fund category #3 and the opt-out cases.Most of it had to do with product identification probably some other issues also. Category one was a in-depth process they needed proof before you could be put into category one. They would not have just speculated and put you into category one without proof to back it up. If you are going to trial pre-existing conditions will definitely play a role in the outcome of your case. That will be determined by a judge or jury though.

  10. Laurie Reply

    This is what my lawyer sent me today…..Good morning Laurie. Sorry for the confusion—yes, the settlement was “accepted” but if the 97% requirement is not met, Fresenius can choose to walk away. That’s the decision we are awaiting. If the numbers are close enough, I think Fresenius will choose to move forward with the settlement process. I am forever the optimist.

    I have nothing left to say about any of this because I can not waste my time and energy on this obsurd, ridiculous process anymore. Its physically and mentally debilitating for me and just a major slap in the face to the victims who are still alive. God will judge them all in the end and I pray he is more just they they were to us!

  11. Arthur Reply

    Laurie even if they walk away the cases don’t disappear. They will still have to try all these cases one by one. Unless the Judge dismisses all of them which I doubt. Supposedly the first trial cost about 600k between both parties. That’s why the settlement came about. Back to the drawing board for Fresenius if they walk away.

  12. Anthony Reply

    I told you in the beginning we was robbed when they went to trial and lost out of 12,000 cases you telling me they couldn’t find one to fit the criteria to win I was at dialysis I a Cardiac Arrest Woke up 2 days later in the hospital.im lucky to be alive. We were sold out I just want to move on

  13. Joe Reply

    These issues have been resolved but I wanted to show everyone why this settlement was taking so long. This was a Motion for extension from the plaintiffs of course again not the full motion this was a couple months ago.

    1.”Most patients for whom electronic medical record information was unavailable treated at clinics acquired by Fresenius and had alleged dates of injury that pre-dated either the acquisition or the conversion of those clinics to Fresenius’ electronic data system.”

    2.”Though the decedent’s treating clinic is presently a Fresenius clinic, it was acquired by Fresenius in 2012, two years after the decedent’s death. Because the decedent was not an active patient at the clinic when Fresenius acquired it, the decedent’s medical records remained with the prior owner. Fresenius reported to the PEC that it has no records for this decedent on September 12, 2016. It is unclear why Plaintiff continues to believe that Fresenius possesses relevant records, but in any event, he waited until March 17, 2017 to ask Fresenius about its response to his May 26, 2016 settlement-related request.”

    3.”Plaintiff asserts that Fresenius failed to produce necessary medical record information for decedent Despite Plaintiff’s allegation to the contrary, this decedent’s treating clinic, Renal Center is not affiliated with Fresenius. Accordingly, Fresenius does not possess any of this decedent’s medical records. In the Motion to Extend, Plaintiff refers to a purportedly deficient production of medical records that she claims was made to her by Fresenius. In fact, these records were not produced by Fresenius but rather by the Plaintiff to Fresenius. Notably, notwithstanding the fact that Plaintiff believed the treating clinic in this case to be an affiliate of Fresenius, Plaintiff did not submit a settlement-related request for medical record information to Fresenius. Rather, as the Motion to Extend indicates, Plaintiff’s last request for medical records was made directly to the treating clinic – again, a non-Fresenius facility – nearly four years ago.”

    4.”As to decedents , Plaintiffs explicitly assert that the decedents’ non-Fresenius treating clinics have failed to produce medical records, despite Plaintiffs’ purportedly diligent efforts to obtain them. Clearly, given that the treating clinics at issue in these cases are unaffiliated with Fresenius, Fresenius does not have access to any of the relevant medical records. Regardless, Plaintiffs cannot credibly claim that they acted diligently in attempting to acquire the decedent’s medical records, given that (1) as to, the Motion to Extend indicates that Plaintiffs last requested medical records from the treating clinics approximately two years ago, and (2) as to all three decedents, the Motion to Extend – filed April 3, 2017 – marks the first time that Plaintiffs alerted either Fresenius or the PEC of their challenges in obtaining the medical record information necessary to assess their cases for settlement eligibility.”

  14. Debbie Reply

    Just talked to my attorney Monday and he said they don’t know what category anyone will fall into until they get all the claims evaluated by the claims examiner. They do have the go ahead to start submitting the claims and will have the final assignment of your point value by the end of the year with disbursements being next year. He actually called me this time!

  15. Angie Reply

    Happy Birthday to my dad…he would have been 73 today. All I really ever wanted to know is if he suffered. No amount of money will tell me what I want to know.

  16. Joe Reply

    Lola, thank you for that information. I believe you are correct. I just have not heard anything official. I know they had until July 28, 2017 for 3 cases to opt-in or comply with the Lonepine order . I think most people suspected it had been approved. You’re the only one that had their lawyer verify that. Like I said I have not heard anything official but I take your word for it. Even if for some reason it was not approved or triggered they are still going to except the people that did opt-in there would be no document submission to the claims administrator if it was not approved or they did not except the people that opted in for settlement. Whatever the case may be the settlement was not voided.

  17. nancy Reply

    I guess my atty has lost her voice and fingers dropped off sd I have heard nothing

  18. Debra Reply

    My attorney submitted mine yesterday. They just needed to verify if my husband was ever on a kidney transplant list before they submitted it. She said that they will hopefully know more about his qualification status in a few months.

  19. Joe Reply

    Remember this order I posted months ago there was never any extension after the order I posted. So I believe they know already and it has been funded. Now the claims administrator is making his point value for the cases. It will not take until 2018 I know some people said it’s been extended back then but I don’t think that was ever true There would’ve had to of been a court order by the judge for a extension and there never was.

    Extension of Settlement Program’s Opt-In and Voiding Deadlines1813 ALLOWED and adopted as follows: January 13, 2017 – Date by which plaintiffs may opt in to the settlement program; January 18, 2017 – Date by which all opt in data and documents will be supplied to Fresenius; May 10, 2017 – Date by which Fresenius may elect to void pursuant to the terms of the MSA; and, May 17, 2017 – Date by which Fresenius shall fund the settlement if not voided.

  20. Stinky Reply

    Just got this information. Fresenius Medical Care Holdings (FMCH) may elect to void the settlement if the 97% threshold is not achieved or if plain- tiffs’ non-participation falls into suspect patterns. For cases not participating in the settlement and not dismissed under Lone Pine orders, active litigation may resume in the discre- tion of their respective courts.
    The deadline for plaintiffs to elect participation in the settlement has passed, although the plaintiff committee and FMCH continue to entertain late requests for good cause by individual participants. Based on participation elections already received and Lone Pine orders already issued, the plaintiff committee and FMCH expect, and have advised the courts that they expect, the settlement to be consummated. However, because of difficulties and delays in assembling and verifying individual participation elections and in the courts’ processing of individual Lone Pine dismissals for the required number of cases, the committee and FMCH have agreed that consummation will occur promptly upon suffi- cient verification of fulfillment of the participation threshold, providing only that consummation will not be required before June 1, 2017 and must occur by February 28, 2018. Court approval of the schedule revision is expected.

    FMCH believes that a significant number of cases, in vari- ous jurisdictions, will not participate in the settlement and will require some level of additional litigation activity in their respective trial courts to resolve. Appeals by plaintiffs are pending in the two bellwether cases (Ogburn and Dial) that have been tried, in both of which jury verdicts were entered in FMCH’s favor.

    FMCH’s affected insurers have agreed to fund US$220 million of the settlement fund if the settlement is not voided, with a reservation of rights regarding certain coverage issues from freestyles quarterly earnings

    (by freestyle directly)

  21. Joe Reply

    Yes Angie happy birthday to your father. I hope they will let me put this link through it is from YouTube and it is wonderful it has nothing to do with this case however.

    https://youtu.be/6TcxA_7_fi8

  22. Angela Reply

    My attorney’s refuse to answer any of my calls~emails, is anyone else experiencing this with their attorney’s? My last contact with them was when they told me to opt in or obtain a new litigator for my case aproximately a year ago. I guess they realized they won’t be cashing in on my case!
    I have not recieved any letters or information as to where my case stands. Just curious to know if other’s are getting the silent treatment as well?

  23. Amanda Reply

    Yes Angela my attorney refuses to call me back so all the information I have found out is what’s on here.

  24. Judy Reply

    @ Angela, not at all my attorney always get back to me be it email, phone call or mail not sure why your attorney is ignoring you

  25. Rick Reply

    Angela, I’m in the same boat haven’t heard anything from my lawyers since the beginning of the year when thy wanted me to opt in..

  26. Laurie Reply

    Angela my attorney will not contact me unless I e-mail her and she responses in about a week. She is as frustrated with this whole thing as I am. She is beginning to submit now for the settlement. If you read back I posted what she told me. She believes they will move forward with the settlement but how long that will take is beyond me at this point.

    Joe while I appreciate all the information that you post here, it has become more confusing for people as I see it. Contact your attorneys and keep pestering them for answers. If they have the answers they will and should give it if not….its just a waiting game. DO NOT GIVE UP! I know its a small settlement offer compared to what we all should get but its the principle of the thing now! Its a small step but its still at step. We have to keep moving forward and hope and pray that some good will come of all this BS that we are getting. I pray for all of us and hope we are coming to and end to this legal BS.

  27. Peaches Reply

    I just want to give my condolences to everyone who has lost someone. For a while and currently I depend on Joe for updated info on this lawsuit.I lost my mom. I’m in category 1 my lawyer is also vague with info and him and his secretary try to minimize my situation the truth is I’m so tired. My sister and I are so tired I hope and pray this night mare ends soon

  28. Angie Reply

    Thank you Joe….that was beautiful.

  29. Kevin Reply

    My brother died in the dialysis chair back in Jan of 2010, I have been hanging on since I started this stupid painful journey,(wish I never have) I would not be in the middle of the sh_t. But sucked in now. All I want is just one answer and that is just what if anything I am going to get. My Lawyers keep telling me oh you have all the correct checked boxes for a settlement. OK what is it?? I don’t even care anymore if and when you send a check. I just want to end this a close this horrible part of my life and move on. He was my only sibling and was only 47. JUST PLEASE END THIS MADDNESS ALREADY SO WE CAN LET OUR FAMILY REST IN PEACE NOW. PLEASE I BEG OF YOU!!!!

  30. Debbie Reply

    Yes I agree with Laurie I appreciate what is being posted by Joe but it is too hard to understand it’s like a copy and paste type thing. I appreciate your input though Joe. When I have called my lawyer in the past he has always gotten back to me. Pester your lawyers if you have to. Remember they are working for YOU. You have the right to ask them questions and they have the duty to get back to you in a timely manner. Ignoring your phone calls? I wouldn’t stand for that! Otherwise, you can tell them you would like to switch attorneys and believe me you will get a phone call back within hours if they are a legitimate attorney. Remember, they are taking 40% of your settlement, so they owe you phone calls and emails and letters to keep you abreast of what’s going on. You shouldn’t have to rely solely on this website to get your info. That’s just not right. And I do appreciate this website. I can tell you that the disbursements if there are any will be by the end of the year or in 2018. I know that for sure. My attorney said 2018 but we’ll see.

  31. Waki Reply

    Has anyone consulted legal funding for their settlements? And what is the interest? My attorney told me it will be another month or two before the distribution of funds. (Seigal and Weiss)

  32. Joe Reply

    Laurie
    The information you get is always old news why would you post information a month after I post the exact same thing. Your information actually is confusing and not completely accurate. I appreciate it though.The information about submitting papers I gave that information a month before you ever said anything about it. You are off on the timeline. How can your lawyer give you dates when the claims administrator hasn’t even process the claims? How does your lawyer know it’s going to take until 2018? That’s ridiculous nobody knows. Unless he or she is A psychic and looking into a crystal ball and telling you what they see. So stop giving information you are not sure of. I told everyone like a month ago we should know numbers sometime into the summer and payouts should start sometime in the fall. I also said documents still needed to be submitted. I don’t know whats confusing about that. I never gave exact dates my lawyer would never give exact dates out. No lawyer knows the exact dates. All your lawyer did was give the information I already told everyone a month ago. You gave some crazy unverified dates. So that’s old info. i gave some info but i would not give exact dates out because no one knows. It all depends on how fast the claims administrator can processes each and every claim also some law firms take longer than others to submit the documents to the claims administrator. The lawyers know they can submit documents now. i told people that about a month ago. I Just gave general timelines not dates.

    If you want to know if you are still in this lawsuit. Put your (last name .v
    Fresenius) in the Bing search engine. Don’t
    Put it in Google. Because Google will give you to many results and the majority will have nothing to do with your case. So I recommend Using Bing. In Bing in the first one or two results it will be your case. You will at least know if you are still in this lawsuit or if your case has been dismissed.

    Laurie people are not getting any information from there lawyers. They don’t call them or email them back. How can they ask there lawyer when there lawyer does not respond? I told everyone a long time ago to verify things with there lawyers first. Not to just take my word on it. But if the lawyer wont respond to them what do you think they should do then? You sound suspicious to me Laurie. I’m not sure you are who you say you are. It really makes no difference to me Who you are though. I know what I tell people is accurate. If you cannot understand the court documents that I put on here and you don’t ask what they mean so I can help you understand them. Then I cant help you. The information I gave comes from the court orders memorandums testimonies and so forth. So if you do not understand then that is the judges falt. I understand then perfectly. Laurie if you read back you can see I posted way before you ever did about the document submission. I suggest if you do not believe me or you do not understand what I post ignore my posts and you will have no problems.

    Laurie why do you say this settlement is so small? You have no idea how many claims there will be in category #1 so how can you say this settlement is so small there may only be a couple hundred in category # 1 you have no clue. Unfortunately the people in category #3 Will only receive $1500 and that does seem unfair and small. They did not have proof of some kind that was needed. There are more people that did not opt in than was expected. They expected 10% not to Opt-in and it went way over that. I am not sure if this lawsuit is going to be triggered but they are going to except the people that have opted in. There are going to be a lot of trials. So before you say it’s unfair wait for the full number count to come out. You never know some of the people that are going to trial may win. Most people that are going to receive trial date haven’t gotten them yet they are not scheduled yet. Although some people that had their case remanded. And we’re no longer part of this MDL have gotten court dates for trial. So what you are saying is not factual it is what you believe not facts. I am suspicious of who you are.

  33. Carolyn Reply

    Joe, Entered both my name and my late husbands name on Bing. Nothing. Guess this means am SOL

  34. Debbie Reply

    I didn’t mean to criticize you Joe. This whole thing has been exasperating. You are just reporting the facts of this case as its posted on the website. That’s more info than any of us have been able to muster up but I don’t understand what you are posting either as I don’t have a legal background and haven’t had any legal cases to use an attorney for, and don’t understand all that legal jargon. When I do call my attorney though he does call me back the next day and answers any questions I have, so I’m just trying to help these other people out there who are getting ignored by theirs. That’s terrible their attorneys don’t get back to them. Whether it’s good news or bad news those attorneys are still going to get paid. The only other thing that bothers me also is how little this lawsuit potentially is settling for as the blood thinner law suit paid out 650 million to their claimants. Big difference. I don’t get it. I understand that the Granuflo itself was not ithe problem but the way it was used on my dad is what killed him, and he is gone now isn’t coming back and same with all of your loved ones. What a shame. I guess I use this website as a sounding board.. I miss him terribly. I would love for others to join in on this website. I’m sure any input is good or even just to share your experiences with this process since its been going on is helpful. Sounds like a lot of you have some lame attorneys. If they can’t call you back at least they should have their secretaries call you back with some info.

  35. Ken Reply

    My Mother was getting Granuflo and naturalyte so a long time .she almost die in the chair many times
    The last time she pass two days later.they tell me i will only get $1500 yet from all the near deaths with her she was just like a stoke victim for all this and only $1500

  36. Stan Reply

    I am confident in what Joe says. It’s unfortunate if some people cannot understand him. It can get a little confusing at times though but I am happy to have information that I am unable to get from my lawyer. It is very helpful and greatly appreciated. Thank you Joe!!

  37. Joe Reply

    Debbie The only person that ever brings up copy and paste is Starfinder ,WJ Blanchard.I think you may be posting under a different name. I have had many people thank me for the information I have given. I have not seen one person thank you for anything you have posted. The information you give out always comes after somebody else says it first. I told you my lawyer was on the steering committee. Then you come on here and say your lawyer is on the steering committee. Why did you wait to say that until after I did. Why do you also keep saying 2018 it may or may not be correct but not everybody got 2018 for payouts to begin. So where is your proof. True I do copy and paste some things but they are court orders. Do you know what a court order is? Sure some of it is just my opinion but a lot of it is coming from the court system itself on this case. Some of the information I post does come from my lawyer. I told everyone before they should know numbers sometime this summer and then all of a sudden people find out documents are able to be submitted. I told everyone they said they would know numbers sometime into the summer and that document still needed to be submitted to the claims administrator. That information came directly from my lawyer .Then people come on here and say their lawyer tells them they can submit documents to the claims administrator. So before it ever happened I told people about it. It also came directly from my lawyer .Are you get Debbie was repeat what I have already posted. My lawyer told me payouts should start in the fall. I’m sure that doesn’t mean everyone will get a payout in the fall but that’s when they will begin. So I am sick of your nonsense Debbie write something that nobody knows yet don’t just look back at people’s posts and then repeat what they say and act like your lawyer told you that because it is not true in my opinion.

  38. Joe Reply

    Almost everything I post on here I try to tell people if it is not official. The court document our official though. I try to help people on here. I am not looking for glory from anyone.I just know A lot of people are not able to get information from their lawyer.So I try to post what is happening in court System with this case so at least they have some understanding of what is going on. I only respond with a negative post if someone else post something negative about me. My goal here is to help people. I think you Debbie and a few other people are on here for a different reasons and not to help people. You want to glorify yourself. That is not what I am about and it never will be. I want to help people if I can. I am in the same position as everyone else. I lost a love one just like everyone did. I am not on here to try to be better than anyone. I am just trying to give information that people may or may not have.

  39. Stan Reply

    I called my lawyer and asked why he never gets back to me. The paralegal said he is extremely busy I have no idea what he’s busy with!! I said I know other people are able to get a hold of their lawyer and talk with them he said they probably don’t have very many cases. I wonder what he means? He did say that they are submitting cases to Dr. Green or something like that. He told me if anything important comes the lawyer will call me but they really don’t have any new information to give to me right now.

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